Discussion:
Obama Opens Door For Capitalists Through Deal WIth Cuba
(too old to reply)
Gronk
2014-12-21 18:56:04 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
WASHINGTON - Barack Obama continues to embrace low-tier, go-it-alone,
executive actions to pad out the last two years of his mistake-filled,
agenda-less presidency in a hopeless hunt for a legacy.
His arrogant decision this week to reestablish diplomatic relations
with Communist Cuba is the latest example of a president desperately
searching for something do without having to deal with Congress.
You can comb through all of the polling data for the top most concerns
of the American people, and renewing U.S. relations with Cuba's evil
Castro dictatorship is not among them.
But with his job approval polls in the basement, and his beaten party
toppled from power on Capitol Hill, Obama's frantically looking for
anything to turn his failed presidency around. So he went on
nationwide television Wednesday to announce his latest diplomatic
gambit, to remind us that he's still president.
National television? For a shameful give-away deal with an aging tin
pot dictator in the Caribbean who got almost everything he demanded
and conceded nothing in return?
Maybe someone in the White House suggested that this would be compared
to Nixon's opening to China. It wasn't.
His actions drew fierce, bipartisan criticism from Capitol Hill for
making deep unilateral concessions without getting much in return. And
it stoked the political fires in Florida, a pivotal electoral prize in
the presidential elections, where Cubans account for a large share of
the vote and remain strongly opposed to relaxing relations with Raul
Castro and his revolutionary henchmen.
The administration won the freedom of Alan Gross, a former U.S. Agency
for International Development contract worker who has been imprisoned
for five years by the Cubans. But in return Obama freed several
convicted Cuban spies.
This will go down in Obama history as another naive attempt at
diplomacy by a president who believes he can deal with Communists,
even if he gets little or nothing in return.
Remember when Obama came into office expecting to "reset" relations
with Vladimir Putin and his Kremlin thugs, only to watch them seize
the Crimea Peninsula and send troops into Eastern Ukraine where they
remain to this day.
Republican Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida sees the same naiveté at work
in Obama's Olive Branch diplomacy with Cuba -- calling the president
"the single worst negotiator we have had in the White House in my
lifetime."
"Appeasing the Castro brothers will only cause other tyrants from
Caracas to Tehran to Pyongyang to see they they can take advantage of
President Obama's naiveté during his final two years in office," Rubio
said.
Even some Democratic leaders were incensed by the president's
action's.
In a blistering statement Wednesday, Sen. Robert Menendez of New
Jersey, the outgoing chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations
Committee, said Obama's actions "have vindicated the brutal behavior
of the Cuban government. There is no equivalence between an
international aid worker and convicted spies who were found guilty of
conspiracy to commit espionage against our nation."
"One spy was also convicted of conspiracy to murder for his role in
the 1996 tragedy in which the Cuban military shot down two U.S.
civilian planes, killing several American citizens," Menendez said.
To trade "Mr. Gross for three convicted criminals sets an extremely
dangerous precedent. It invites dictatorial and rogue regimes to use
Americans serving overseas as bargaining chips. I fear that today's
actions will put at risk thousands of Americans that work overseas,"
he warned.
Obama may pay a bigger price for his actions when the Republicans take
control of the Senate next month, and Rubio becomes the chairman of
the Foreign Relations Committee's Western Hemisphere subcommittee.
In a statement released by his office, Rubio said he will "make every
effort to block this dangerous and desperate attempt" to make sweeping
concessions to the Castro government without demanding an end to its
repressive policies that have put untold political dissidents in
prison.
But in his zeal to play the role of global negotiator, even at the
expense of appeasing some of America's worst and most dangerous
adversaries, Obama may have hurt his party's chances in the 2015-16
presidential election cycle.
Of the nearly two million U.S. citizens who claim Cuban ancestry, the
vast majority of them live in South Florida, a strategic political
prize that could decide the outcome of the next election -- as it did
in 2000.
While the younger generation of Cuban-Americans are more open to
relaxing travel restrictions toward Cuba, the older generations remain
deeply hostile to the Communist government and almost any concessions
that smell of the status quo.
Like Rubio, one the GOP's latest presidential wannabes wasn't buying
it for a moment.
Former Florida governor Jeb Bush, who has just formed an exploratory
committee, said on his Facebook page that the administration's
decision to resume diplomatic ties with Cuba was "the latest foreign
policy misstep by this president, and another dramatic overreach of
his executive authority."
"It undermines America's credibility and undermines the quest for a
free and democratic Cuba," said Bush who is widely popular among
Florida's Cuban population and the Hispanic community at large.
But on the left of the political divide, Hillary Clinton was buying
into Obama's appeasement policy hook, line and sinker.
"I support President Obama's decision to chance course on Cuba
policy," she said. "Despite good intentions, our decades-long policy
of isolation has only strengthened the Castro regime's grip on power."
Obama went for the whole enchilada, believing he can deal with Cuba by
caving into their demands. Republicans, and maybe more than a few
Democrats, will remind him in a few weeks that Congress will have a
say in this, too.
Source: http://bit.ly/1zFoyQ1
Dumb...duh...dumb...dumb.
And liberals thought Obama was a smart guy.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/12/17/businesses-will-benefit-from-improved-cuba-relations/20536283/

Plans to increase trade and travel between the United States and Cuba
should prove a boon to several industries, including Internet service
providers, airlines and U.S. banks.

As the two nations begin discussions to normalize relations, opening
access to Cuba for U.S. companies as well as fostering entrepreneurship in
the island nation appear to be primary goals. And if the economic pipeline
between the U.S. and Cuba is fully opened in the future, it could lead to
billions of dollars in business for companies on both sides of the Florida
Straits.
Cubaverdad
2014-12-22 09:26:27 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by Gronk
WASHINGTON - Barack Obama continues to embrace low-tier, go-it-alone,
executive actions to pad out the last two years of his mistake-filled,
agenda-less presidency in a hopeless hunt for a legacy.
His arrogant decision this week to reestablish diplomatic relations
with Communist Cuba is the latest example of a president desperately
searching for something do without having to deal with Congress.
You can comb through all of the polling data for the top most concerns
of the American people, and renewing U.S. relations with Cuba's evil
Castro dictatorship is not among them.
But with his job approval polls in the basement, and his beaten party
toppled from power on Capitol Hill, Obama's frantically looking for
anything to turn his failed presidency around. So he went on
nationwide television Wednesday to announce his latest diplomatic
gambit, to remind us that he's still president.
National television? For a shameful give-away deal with an aging tin
pot dictator in the Caribbean who got almost everything he demanded
and conceded nothing in return?
Maybe someone in the White House suggested that this would be compared
to Nixon's opening to China. It wasn't.
His actions drew fierce, bipartisan criticism from Capitol Hill for
making deep unilateral concessions without getting much in return. And
it stoked the political fires in Florida, a pivotal electoral prize in
the presidential elections, where Cubans account for a large share of
the vote and remain strongly opposed to relaxing relations with Raul
Castro and his revolutionary henchmen.
The administration won the freedom of Alan Gross, a former U.S. Agency
for International Development contract worker who has been imprisoned
for five years by the Cubans. But in return Obama freed several
convicted Cuban spies.
This will go down in Obama history as another naive attempt at
diplomacy by a president who believes he can deal with Communists,
even if he gets little or nothing in return.
Remember when Obama came into office expecting to "reset" relations
with Vladimir Putin and his Kremlin thugs, only to watch them seize
the Crimea Peninsula and send troops into Eastern Ukraine where they
remain to this day.
Republican Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida sees the same naiveté at work
in Obama's Olive Branch diplomacy with Cuba -- calling the president
"the single worst negotiator we have had in the White House in my
lifetime."
"Appeasing the Castro brothers will only cause other tyrants from
Caracas to Tehran to Pyongyang to see they they can take advantage of
President Obama's naiveté during his final two years in office," Rubio
said.
Even some Democratic leaders were incensed by the president's
action's.
In a blistering statement Wednesday, Sen. Robert Menendez of New
Jersey, the outgoing chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations
Committee, said Obama's actions "have vindicated the brutal behavior
of the Cuban government. There is no equivalence between an
international aid worker and convicted spies who were found guilty of
conspiracy to commit espionage against our nation."
"One spy was also convicted of conspiracy to murder for his role in
the 1996 tragedy in which the Cuban military shot down two U.S.
civilian planes, killing several American citizens," Menendez said.
To trade "Mr. Gross for three convicted criminals sets an extremely
dangerous precedent. It invites dictatorial and rogue regimes to use
Americans serving overseas as bargaining chips. I fear that today's
actions will put at risk thousands of Americans that work overseas,"
he warned.
Obama may pay a bigger price for his actions when the Republicans take
control of the Senate next month, and Rubio becomes the chairman of
the Foreign Relations Committee's Western Hemisphere subcommittee.
In a statement released by his office, Rubio said he will "make every
effort to block this dangerous and desperate attempt" to make sweeping
concessions to the Castro government without demanding an end to its
repressive policies that have put untold political dissidents in
prison.
But in his zeal to play the role of global negotiator, even at the
expense of appeasing some of America's worst and most dangerous
adversaries, Obama may have hurt his party's chances in the 2015-16
presidential election cycle.
Of the nearly two million U.S. citizens who claim Cuban ancestry, the
vast majority of them live in South Florida, a strategic political
prize that could decide the outcome of the next election -- as it did
in 2000.
While the younger generation of Cuban-Americans are more open to
relaxing travel restrictions toward Cuba, the older generations remain
deeply hostile to the Communist government and almost any concessions
that smell of the status quo.
Like Rubio, one the GOP's latest presidential wannabes wasn't buying
it for a moment.
Former Florida governor Jeb Bush, who has just formed an exploratory
committee, said on his Facebook page that the administration's
decision to resume diplomatic ties with Cuba was "the latest foreign
policy misstep by this president, and another dramatic overreach of
his executive authority."
"It undermines America's credibility and undermines the quest for a
free and democratic Cuba," said Bush who is widely popular among
Florida's Cuban population and the Hispanic community at large.
But on the left of the political divide, Hillary Clinton was buying
into Obama's appeasement policy hook, line and sinker.
"I support President Obama's decision to chance course on Cuba
policy," she said. "Despite good intentions, our decades-long policy
of isolation has only strengthened the Castro regime's grip on power."
Obama went for the whole enchilada, believing he can deal with Cuba by
caving into their demands. Republicans, and maybe more than a few
Democrats, will remind him in a few weeks that Congress will have a
say in this, too.
Source: http://bit.ly/1zFoyQ1
Dumb...duh...dumb...dumb.
And liberals thought Obama was a smart guy.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/12/17/businesses-will-benefit-from-improved-cuba-relations/20536283/
Plans to increase trade and travel between the United States and Cuba
should prove a boon to several industries, including Internet service
providers, airlines and U.S. banks.
It is a "boon" to the Castro regime and its foreign partners and does
not benefit the Cuban people at all.
Post by Gronk
As the two nations begin discussions to normalize relations, opening
access to Cuba for U.S. companies as well as fostering entrepreneurship
in the island nation appear to be primary goals.
The regime disallows "entrepreneurship" and has confined independents to
a small list of meaningless activities.
Until the regime changes and allows true economic freedom and allows all
to freely trade with companies abroad there will be no real economic
benefits.
Post by Gronk
And if the economic
pipeline between the U.S. and Cuba is fully opened in the future, it
could lead to billions of dollars in business for companies on both
sides of the Florida Straits.
and nearly all of it bypassing the Cuban people.
Working in a Cuban maquiladora and getting 2 CUC to the dollar you earn
(98% to the regime) is not progress for the people.
The current Cuban military - economic elite has to release its total
grip on power before real progress can come.
Josh
2014-12-22 10:06:56 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by Gronk
WASHINGTON - Barack Obama continues to embrace low-tier, go-it-alone,
executive actions to pad out the last two years of his mistake-filled,
agenda-less presidency in a hopeless hunt for a legacy.
His arrogant decision this week to reestablish diplomatic relations
with Communist Cuba is the latest example of a president desperately
searching for something do without having to deal with Congress.
You can comb through all of the polling data for the top most concerns
of the American people, and renewing U.S. relations with Cuba's evil
Castro dictatorship is not among them.
But with his job approval polls in the basement, and his beaten party
toppled from power on Capitol Hill, Obama's frantically looking for
anything to turn his failed presidency around. So he went on
nationwide television Wednesday to announce his latest diplomatic
gambit, to remind us that he's still president.
National television? For a shameful give-away deal with an aging tin
pot dictator in the Caribbean who got almost everything he demanded
and conceded nothing in return?
Maybe someone in the White House suggested that this would be compared
to Nixon's opening to China. It wasn't.
His actions drew fierce, bipartisan criticism from Capitol Hill for
making deep unilateral concessions without getting much in return. And
it stoked the political fires in Florida, a pivotal electoral prize in
the presidential elections, where Cubans account for a large share of
the vote and remain strongly opposed to relaxing relations with Raul
Castro and his revolutionary henchmen.
The administration won the freedom of Alan Gross, a former U.S. Agency
for International Development contract worker who has been imprisoned
for five years by the Cubans. But in return Obama freed several
convicted Cuban spies.
This will go down in Obama history as another naive attempt at
diplomacy by a president who believes he can deal with Communists,
even if he gets little or nothing in return.
Remember when Obama came into office expecting to "reset" relations
with Vladimir Putin and his Kremlin thugs, only to watch them seize
the Crimea Peninsula and send troops into Eastern Ukraine where they
remain to this day.
Republican Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida sees the same naiveté at work
in Obama's Olive Branch diplomacy with Cuba -- calling the president
"the single worst negotiator we have had in the White House in my
lifetime."
"Appeasing the Castro brothers will only cause other tyrants from
Caracas to Tehran to Pyongyang to see they they can take advantage of
President Obama's naiveté during his final two years in office," Rubio
said.
Even some Democratic leaders were incensed by the president's
action's.
In a blistering statement Wednesday, Sen. Robert Menendez of New
Jersey, the outgoing chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations
Committee, said Obama's actions "have vindicated the brutal behavior
of the Cuban government. There is no equivalence between an
international aid worker and convicted spies who were found guilty of
conspiracy to commit espionage against our nation."
"One spy was also convicted of conspiracy to murder for his role in
the 1996 tragedy in which the Cuban military shot down two U.S.
civilian planes, killing several American citizens," Menendez said.
To trade "Mr. Gross for three convicted criminals sets an extremely
dangerous precedent. It invites dictatorial and rogue regimes to use
Americans serving overseas as bargaining chips. I fear that today's
actions will put at risk thousands of Americans that work overseas,"
he warned.
Obama may pay a bigger price for his actions when the Republicans take
control of the Senate next month, and Rubio becomes the chairman of
the Foreign Relations Committee's Western Hemisphere subcommittee.
In a statement released by his office, Rubio said he will "make every
effort to block this dangerous and desperate attempt" to make sweeping
concessions to the Castro government without demanding an end to its
repressive policies that have put untold political dissidents in
prison.
But in his zeal to play the role of global negotiator, even at the
expense of appeasing some of America's worst and most dangerous
adversaries, Obama may have hurt his party's chances in the 2015-16
presidential election cycle.
Of the nearly two million U.S. citizens who claim Cuban ancestry, the
vast majority of them live in South Florida, a strategic political
prize that could decide the outcome of the next election -- as it did
in 2000.
While the younger generation of Cuban-Americans are more open to
relaxing travel restrictions toward Cuba, the older generations remain
deeply hostile to the Communist government and almost any concessions
that smell of the status quo.
Like Rubio, one the GOP's latest presidential wannabes wasn't buying
it for a moment.
Former Florida governor Jeb Bush, who has just formed an exploratory
committee, said on his Facebook page that the administration's
decision to resume diplomatic ties with Cuba was "the latest foreign
policy misstep by this president, and another dramatic overreach of
his executive authority."
"It undermines America's credibility and undermines the quest for a
free and democratic Cuba," said Bush who is widely popular among
Florida's Cuban population and the Hispanic community at large.
But on the left of the political divide, Hillary Clinton was buying
into Obama's appeasement policy hook, line and sinker.
"I support President Obama's decision to chance course on Cuba
policy," she said. "Despite good intentions, our decades-long policy
of isolation has only strengthened the Castro regime's grip on power."
Obama went for the whole enchilada, believing he can deal with Cuba by
caving into their demands. Republicans, and maybe more than a few
Democrats, will remind him in a few weeks that Congress will have a
say in this, too.
Source: http://bit.ly/1zFoyQ1
Dumb...duh...dumb...dumb.
And liberals thought Obama was a smart guy.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/12/17/businesses-will-benefit-from-improved-cuba-relations/20536283/
Plans to increase trade and travel between the United States and Cuba
should prove a boon to several industries, including Internet service
providers, airlines and U.S. banks.
As the two nations begin discussions to normalize relations, opening
access to Cuba for U.S. companies
to see that Obama stepped in the shit again.
Gronk
2014-12-25 04:54:23 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by Josh
Post by Gronk
WASHINGTON - Barack Obama continues to embrace low-tier,
go-it-alone,
Post by Josh
Post by Gronk
executive actions to pad out the last two years of his
mistake-filled,
Post by Josh
Post by Gronk
agenda-less presidency in a hopeless hunt for a legacy.
His arrogant decision this week to reestablish diplomatic relations
with Communist Cuba is the latest example of a president desperately
searching for something do without having to deal with Congress.
You can comb through all of the polling data for the top most
concerns
Post by Josh
Post by Gronk
of the American people, and renewing U.S. relations with Cuba's evil
Castro dictatorship is not among them.
But with his job approval polls in the basement, and his beaten
party
Post by Josh
Post by Gronk
toppled from power on Capitol Hill, Obama's frantically looking for
anything to turn his failed presidency around. So he went on
nationwide television Wednesday to announce his latest diplomatic
gambit, to remind us that he's still president.
National television? For a shameful give-away deal with an aging tin
pot dictator in the Caribbean who got almost everything he demanded
and conceded nothing in return?
Maybe someone in the White House suggested that this would be
compared
Post by Josh
Post by Gronk
to Nixon's opening to China. It wasn't.
His actions drew fierce, bipartisan criticism from Capitol Hill for
making deep unilateral concessions without getting much in
return. And
Post by Josh
Post by Gronk
it stoked the political fires in Florida, a pivotal electoral
prize in
Post by Josh
Post by Gronk
the presidential elections, where Cubans account for a large
share of
Post by Josh
Post by Gronk
the vote and remain strongly opposed to relaxing relations with Raul
Castro and his revolutionary henchmen.
The administration won the freedom of Alan Gross, a former U.S.
Agency
Post by Josh
Post by Gronk
for International Development contract worker who has been
imprisoned
Post by Josh
Post by Gronk
for five years by the Cubans. But in return Obama freed several
convicted Cuban spies.
This will go down in Obama history as another naive attempt at
diplomacy by a president who believes he can deal with Communists,
even if he gets little or nothing in return.
Remember when Obama came into office expecting to "reset" relations
with Vladimir Putin and his Kremlin thugs, only to watch them seize
the Crimea Peninsula and send troops into Eastern Ukraine where they
remain to this day.
Republican Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida sees the same naiveté at
work
Post by Josh
Post by Gronk
in Obama's Olive Branch diplomacy with Cuba -- calling the president
"the single worst negotiator we have had in the White House in my
lifetime."
"Appeasing the Castro brothers will only cause other tyrants from
Caracas to Tehran to Pyongyang to see they they can take
advantage of
Post by Josh
Post by Gronk
President Obama's naiveté during his final two years in
office," Rubio
Post by Josh
Post by Gronk
said.
Even some Democratic leaders were incensed by the president's
action's.
In a blistering statement Wednesday, Sen. Robert Menendez of New
Jersey, the outgoing chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations
Committee, said Obama's actions "have vindicated the brutal behavior
of the Cuban government. There is no equivalence between an
international aid worker and convicted spies who were found
guilty of
Post by Josh
Post by Gronk
conspiracy to commit espionage against our nation."
"One spy was also convicted of conspiracy to murder for his role in
the 1996 tragedy in which the Cuban military shot down two U.S.
civilian planes, killing several American citizens," Menendez said.
To trade "Mr. Gross for three convicted criminals sets an extremely
dangerous precedent. It invites dictatorial and rogue regimes to use
Americans serving overseas as bargaining chips. I fear that today's
actions will put at risk thousands of Americans that work overseas,"
he warned.
Obama may pay a bigger price for his actions when the
Republicans take
Post by Josh
Post by Gronk
control of the Senate next month, and Rubio becomes the chairman of
the Foreign Relations Committee's Western Hemisphere subcommittee.
In a statement released by his office, Rubio said he will "make
every
Post by Josh
Post by Gronk
effort to block this dangerous and desperate attempt" to make
sweeping
Post by Josh
Post by Gronk
concessions to the Castro government without demanding an end to its
repressive policies that have put untold political dissidents in
prison.
But in his zeal to play the role of global negotiator, even at the
expense of appeasing some of America's worst and most dangerous
adversaries, Obama may have hurt his party's chances in the 2015-16
presidential election cycle.
Of the nearly two million U.S. citizens who claim Cuban
ancestry, the
Post by Josh
Post by Gronk
vast majority of them live in South Florida, a strategic political
prize that could decide the outcome of the next election -- as
it did
Post by Josh
Post by Gronk
in 2000.
While the younger generation of Cuban-Americans are more open to
relaxing travel restrictions toward Cuba, the older generations
remain
Post by Josh
Post by Gronk
deeply hostile to the Communist government and almost any
concessions
Post by Josh
Post by Gronk
that smell of the status quo.
Like Rubio, one the GOP's latest presidential wannabes wasn't buying
it for a moment.
Former Florida governor Jeb Bush, who has just formed an exploratory
committee, said on his Facebook page that the administration's
decision to resume diplomatic ties with Cuba was "the latest foreign
policy misstep by this president, and another dramatic overreach of
his executive authority."
"It undermines America's credibility and undermines the quest for a
free and democratic Cuba," said Bush who is widely popular among
Florida's Cuban population and the Hispanic community at large.
But on the left of the political divide, Hillary Clinton was buying
into Obama's appeasement policy hook, line and sinker.
"I support President Obama's decision to chance course on Cuba
policy," she said. "Despite good intentions, our decades-long policy
of isolation has only strengthened the Castro regime's grip on
power."
Post by Josh
Post by Gronk
Obama went for the whole enchilada, believing he can deal with
Cuba by
Post by Josh
Post by Gronk
caving into their demands. Republicans, and maybe more than a few
Democrats, will remind him in a few weeks that Congress will have a
say in this, too.
Source: http://bit.ly/1zFoyQ1
Dumb...duh...dumb...dumb.
And liberals thought Obama was a smart guy.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/12/17/businesses-will-benefit-from-improved-cuba-relations/20536283/
Post by Josh
Post by Gronk
Plans to increase trade and travel between the United States and Cuba
should prove a boon to several industries, including Internet service
providers, airlines and U.S. banks.
As the two nations begin discussions to normalize relations, opening
access to Cuba for U.S. companies
to see that Obama stepped in the shit again.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/12/17/businesses-will-benefit-from-improved-cuba-relations/20536283/

Plans to increase trade and travel between the United States and Cuba
should prove a boon to several industries, including Internet service
providers, airlines and U.S. banks.

As the two nations begin discussions to normalize relations, opening
access to Cuba for U.S. companies as well as fostering entrepreneurship in
the island nation appear to be primary goals. And if the economic pipeline
between the U.S. and Cuba is fully opened in the future, it could lead to
billions of dollars in business for companies on both sides of the Florida
Straits.

Loading...