Post by CubaFAQPost by PLas always what he snipped is more indicative of what he fears
Post by CubaFAQPost by PLAccording to local researchers,
Unnamed "local researchers???"
ACTAF
ACTAF es La Asociaci n Cubana de T cnicos Agr colas y Forestales. Una
organizaci n no gubernamental, inscripta en el registro de asociaciones
de la Republica de Cuba desde el 2 de febrero de 1987. Con una
estructura funcional desagregada, en Filiales con personalidad jur dica
propia, en las 14 provincias del pa s. Cuenta con 23 694 afiliados, de
los cuales el 38% son mujeres, agrupados en 1 761 rganos de Base y 2
219 Socios Institucionales a nivel de pa s, con una estructura de
trabajo organizada en filiales en todas las provincias incluido el
municipio especial de Isla de la Juventud. Como novedoso en la
estructura de ACTAF se incorpora el Presidente Municipal de la ACTAF,
aglutinando a todos los t cnicos en el rea municipal.
La ACTAF tiene como paradigma lograr el desarrollo de una agricultura
sostenible sobre bases agroecol gicas, para lo cual no solo trabaja en
todo un amplio proceso de capacitaci n de sus asociados y de la sociedad
cubana en su conjunto sino tambi n en el desarrollo de un proceso de
divulgaci n, promoci n y reconocimiento a todas las experiencias
exitosas que de forma individual o colectiva logren efectivamente dar
cumplimiento y materializaci n al modelo de agricultura que como
organizaci n propugnamos y defendemos. Domicilio legal: Calle 98 No.
702, esquina 7ma, Playa, Ciudad de La Habana, Cuba. Telef.: + 53 7 202
Hac a la soberan a alimentaria?
Noticias - Destacado
Escrito por Ana Maria Dominguez Cruz
Lunes, 03 de Enero de 2011 12:22
""Sin embargo, el a o pasado Cuba necesitaba importar el 80 por ciento
de los alimentos que se consum an en ella, como consecuencia de
problemas organizativos, econ micos y hasta conceptuales que dieron al
traste con una situaci n agr cola interna desfavorable, incluso desde el
punto de vista de los recursos humanos."
[snip]
Still no original source,
How original do you want it to be, Dan.
This is the Cuban state organization of agricultural specialists.
Post by CubaFAQI see. Still no one seems able to cite any
official government(snip)
Both government newspapers and the association of specialist state the
facts, Dan.
You go down as the liar you are.
ACTAF
ACTAF es La Asociación Cubana de Técnicos Agrícolas y Forestales. Una
organización no gubernamental, inscripta en el registro de asociaciones
de la Republica de Cuba desde el 2 de febrero de 1987. Con una
estructura funcional desagregada, en Filiales con personalidad jurídica
propia, en las 14 provincias del país. Cuenta con 23 694 afiliados, de
los cuales el 38% son mujeres, agrupados en 1 761 Órganos de Base y 2
219 Socios Institucionales a nivel de país, con una estructura de
trabajo organizada en filiales en todas las provincias incluido el
municipio especial de Isla de la Juventud. Como novedoso en la
estructura de ACTAF se incorpora el Presidente Municipal de la ACTAF,
aglutinando a todos los técnicos en el área municipal.
La ACTAF tiene como paradigma lograr el desarrollo de una agricultura
sostenible sobre bases agroecológicas, para lo cual no solo trabaja en
todo un amplio proceso de capacitación de sus asociados y de la sociedad
cubana en su conjunto sino también en el desarrollo de un proceso de
divulgación, promoción y reconocimiento a todas las experiencias
exitosas que de forma individual o colectiva logren efectivamente dar
cumplimiento y materialización al modelo de agricultura que como
organización propugnamos y defendemos. Domicilio legal: Calle 98 No.
702, esquina 7ma, Playa, Ciudad de La Habana, Cuba. Telef.: + 53 7 202
7867, e-mail: ***@actaf.co.cu
Hacía la soberanía alimentaria?
Noticias - Destacado
Escrito por Ana Maria Dominguez Cruz
Lunes, 03 de Enero de 2011 12:22
""Sin embargo, el año pasado Cuba necesitaba importar el 80 por ciento
de los alimentos que se consumían en ella, como consecuencia de
problemas organizativos, económicos y hasta conceptuales que dieron al
traste con una situación agrícola interna desfavorable, incluso desde el
punto de vista de los recursos humanos."
http://www.actaf.co.cu/news/3-newsflash/3050-ihacia-la-soberania-alimentaria.html
Anyway: all data confirmed in the Cuban press by Cubadebate, Invasor,
CMHW and th" "Portal Informative" of the Cuban regime in JANUARY 2011!!!!
From Jan 25, 2011!!!!!
El 40% de la superficie cultivable de Cuba está ociosa, pero la
situación tiende a mejorar
Por Cubadebate Martes 25 de Enero de 2011 20:17
"Cuba importa cerca de un 80 por ciento de los víveres que consumen sus
habitantes y gasta en ello unos 1.500 millones de dólares al año."
http://www.cmhw.icrt.cu/nacionales/1850-el-40-de-la-superficie-cultivable-de-cuba-esta-ociosa-pero-la-situacion-tiende-a-mejorar
the same here:
http://www.cubadebate.cu/noticias/2011/01/25/el-40-de-la-superficie-cultivable-de-cuba-esta-ociosa-pero-la-situacion-tiende-a-mejorar/
Hacía la soberanía alimentaria?
Noticias - Destacado
Escrito por Ana Maria Dominguez Cruz
Lunes, 03 de Enero de 2011 12:22
""Sin embargo, el año pasado Cuba necesitaba importar el 80 por ciento
de los alimentos que se consumían en ella, como consecuencia de
problemas organizativos, económicos y hasta conceptuales que dieron al
traste con una situación agrícola interna desfavorable, incluso desde el
punto de vista de los recursos humanos."
http://www.actaf.co.cu/news/3-newsflash/3050-ihacia-la-soberania-alimentaria.html
"Tengamos en cuenta que Cuba prácticamente importa el 80 por ciento de
los alimentos que consume, para lo cual invirtió el año pasado más de 2
000 millones de dólares."
http://www.invasor.cu/index.php/es/sociedad/325-ivolveremos-a-los-anos-90
as usual I expose your lies and you post your spam
The standard reply to Dan's Genocide lie:
The 1948 Geneva Convention on Genocide article 2 is quoted in a very
misleading way by serial liar Dan Christensen:.
The text: (1)
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts
committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national,
ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life
calculated
to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
The text requires that the acts listed under a-e have been committed
with "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical,
racial or religious group".
In the case of the US trade sanctions this is clearly not the case.
The USA is Cuba's 5th trading partner (2) and largest food supplier
(3).
Cuba depends on food imports for 80% of total food consumption and
for
84% of the food distributed in the rationing system in place since
1962 (4).
These food imports total between 2 and 2.5 billion US dollars (5).
The
US provided in 2008 about a third of imported food in Cuba: over 700
million dollars and the US has soled over 4.4 billion dollars of food
since 2001 (6).
That means the US provided about 27% (80/3) of Cuba's food
consumption
in 2008 while the national agriculture only provided 20%.
Now: would a nation that wanted to destroy another nations' people
provide it with 27% of its food?
No.
As far as the sale of medical products: Cuba purchased only 1.2
million
dollars in 2008, but in fact deals for a total of 143 million were
duly
licensed by the US government. Cuba did not go through with 99% of
the
fully licensed deals. An expert stated that these were deliberate
political and economic decisions not to buy as Cuba prefers to get
the
goods for free(7).
Indeed: Cuba is in fact unable to pay for the imports its people
needs.
It has defaulted on various loans for years now (from way before the
financial crisis) and currently has not paid suppliers for over a
year
with debts standing at $ 1 billion. It has had to cut purchases of
food
from the US by 32% for 2009 (8).
The accusation of "genocide"is also rather hypocrite as the genocide
watchdog "Genocide Watch" has the Castro regime on its list of
genocidal
regimes for its abuses against the people based on the same article 2
of
the convention (9).
(1) Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of
Genocide
Genocide, Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of
-
- Prevent Genocide International
http://www.preventgenocide.org/law/convention/text.htm
(2) Cuba's declining trade betrays depth of its crisis
"The United States, which is Cuba's fifth trading partner despite its
47-year-old trade embargo against the island, said sales to Cuba
totaled
$383.8 million through August, down 23 percent."
Cuba's declining trade betrays depth of its crisis | Reuters (20
October
2009)
http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-Cuba/idUSTRE59J5A620091020?sp=true
http://cubadata.blogspot.com/2009/10/cubas-declining-trade-betrays-depth-of....html
(3)Reuteman: The Cuba question: To trade or not to trade?
"In 2005, the United States became the island's biggest food
supplier."
Reuteman: The Cuba question: To trade or not to trade?
January 14, 2006
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/business_columnists/article/0,1299,DRMN_82_4387989,00.html
http://cubadata.blogspot.com/2006/01/cuba-question-to-trade-or-not-to-trade....html
Cuba Pins Hopes On New Farms Run for Profit
Program Part of 'New Socialist Model'
"The United States, which has maintained a diplomatic deep freeze and
a
punishing economic blockade against the island for almost 50 years,
is
the island nation's largest supplier of food and agricultural
products,
selling it an average of $350 million worth of beans, rice and frozen
chickens each year since 2001, when Congress created exceptions to
the
trade ban."
Cuba Pins Hopes on New For-Profit Farms - washingtonpost.com (28
September 2009)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/27/AR2009092703316.html
http://cubadata.blogspot.com/2009/09/cuba-pins-hopes-on-new-farms-run-for.html
(4) WFP:
In Cuba, which imports 80 percent of its food, iron-deficiency
anaemia
is the commonest nutritional disorder: recent studies by the
Institute
of Nutrition and Food Hygiene show that anaemia prevalence in the
eastern region is 56.7 percent among children under 2 and 20.1
percent
in children aged 2-5.
Support for the National Plan on Prevention and Control of Anaemia in
the Five Eastern Provinces of Cuba | WFP | United Nations World Food
Programme - Fighting Hunger Worldwide
http://www.wfp.org/content/support-national-plan-prevention-and-control-anaemia-five-eastern-provinces-cuba
Cuba, with a population of a little over 11 million people, imports
about 80% of its domestic food requirements.
Cuba | WFP | United Nations World Food Programme - Fighting Hunger
Worldwide
http://www.wfp.org/countries/cuba
"Tengamos en cuenta que Cuba practicamente importa el 80 por ciento
de los alimentos que consume, para lo cual invirtioio pasado mas de
2000 millones de dolares."
Volveremos a los años '90?
Por Magaly Zamora Morejon (AIN)
Martes, 30 de Junio de 2009 14:18
http://www.invasor.cu/index.php/es/sociedad/325-ivolveremos-a-los-anos-90
"Asi en esta ciudad Magalys Calvo, viceministra de
Economia y Planificacion, durante una sesion de la Asamblea Provincial
del
Poder Popular.
El paiss importa anualmente el 84% de los alimentos destinados a la
canasta basica, por lo cual eroga unos mil millones de dolares, y
es
junto al petroleo el desembolso fundamental."
Necesita ia cubana aumentar produccion de alimentos
http://www.granma.cubaweb.cu/2007/02/26/nacional/artic02.html
(5) Food imports
2 billion:
Cuba importa más de 80% de los alimentos que consume. La cuenta
ascenderá este año a $2.000 millones.
http://www.eluniversal.com/2008/05/28/int_art_raul-castro-exige-ma_880690.shtml
"Collective farm productivity is so bad, Cuba has been
forced to import over $2 billion a year in agricultural products."
ESR | October 12, 2009 | Cuba: Discovering personal independence (12
October 2009)
http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/1009/1009cubapersind.htm
Ronald R. Cooke is the proprietor of The Cultural Economist. This is
his
first contribution to Enter Stage Right.
2.5 billion:
"Food imports cost 2.5 billion dollars in 2008, an amount the
government
wants to reduce."
Balancing Cuba's Lopsided Budget
October 16, 2009
By Patricia Grogg
http://www.havanatimes.org/?p=15083
Cuba importa el 80 por ciento de la comida que distribuye a la
población
a precios altamente subsidiados mediante la libreta. La factura de
alimentos llegó a 2.500 millones de dólares en el 2008.
Cuba recorta libreta de racionamiento - Yahoo! Noticias (6 November
2009)
http://espanol.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/091105/latinoamerica/latinoamerica_alimentos_cuba_1
http://cubadata.blogspot.com/2009/11/cuba-recorta-libreta-de-racionamiento.html
(6) 2008 imports from the USA
"In 2008, Cuba imported from the USA US$ 710 million of food and
agricultural products"
President Obama should take the lead on lifting embargo against Cuba
|
Amnesty International (9 November 2009)
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/report/president-obama-should-take-lead-lifting-embargo-against-cuba-20090902
Invertia.com - Cuba importó alimentos de EE.UU. por 4.400 millones de
dólares desde 2001 (9 August 2009)
http://www.invertia.com/noticias/noticia.asp?subclasid=&clasid=&idNoticia=2194204
http://cubadata.blogspot.com/2009/08/cuba-importo-alimentos-de-eeuu-por-4400.html
(7) Medical exports
"The U.S. says it approved $142 million in commercial and donated
medical exports to the communist island in 2008. So why did less than
1
percent of it get there?"
"It's not the embargo," said John Kavulich, a senior policy adviser
at
the New York-based U.S.-Cuba Economic Trade Council, which provides
nonpartisan commercial and economic information about Cuba. "These
are
economic and political decisions not to buy."
Cuba often waits for allies to donate what it needs, Kavulich said.
"They'd rather get things for free than pay for them."
It's unclear why U.S. medical exports aren't reaching Cuba | News for
Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Headline | International News
(5
December 2009)
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/world/stories/DN-embargo_05int.ART.State.Edition1.4bbb4d0.html
(8)Cuba' financial problems and reduction of food purchases.
Atrapados en el «corralito» cubano (1 December 2009)
http://www.lne.es/opinion/2009/12/01/atrapados-corralito-cubano-br/841805.html
Los gobiernos extranjeros interceden para que los bancos cubanos
paguen
sus deudas con las empresas privadas
LA HABANA, 19 Nov. (Reuters/EP) -
http://www.europapress.es/latam/cuba/noticia-cuba-gobiernos-extranjeros-interceden-bancos-cubanos-paguen-deudas-empresas-privadas-20091119214214.html
THE CUBAN ECONOMY IN A WORLD OF UNCERTAINTY - Miscelaneas de Cuba
http://www.miscelaneasdecuba.net/web/article.asp?artID=22961
Cuba Moves to Decentralize Imports
July 21, 2009
HAVANA TIMES, July 20 - The Cuban government has decided to
decentralize
expenditures in hard currency for imports, which will now be managed
by the individual ministries instead of a single centralized super
account,
reported Mexico's La Jornada newspaper on Monday.
Nevertheless, the daily points out that the new measure does not
state
the fate of outstanding accounts that have not been paid to foreign
suppliers over the last seven months, estimated at around one billion
USD
Cuba Moves to Decentralize Imports - Havana Times.org (21 July 2009)
http://www.havanatimes.org/?p=12010
Los exportadores valencianos llevan un año sin cobrar sus ventas a
Cuba
- Valencia_Valencia - Valencia - ABC.es (15 July 2009)
http://www.abc.es/20090715/valencia-valencia/exportadores-valencianos-llevan-cobrar-20090715.html
http://cubafacts.blogspot.com/2009/07/los-exportadores-valencianos-ll...
Cuba tells creditors debt grew by $1.1 billion
Fri Sep 5, 2008 6:12pm EDT
By Marc Frank
http://www.reuters.com/article/bondsNews/idUSN0519102820080905?sp=true
Cuba can't pay debt to Russian bank
September 04, 2008
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/cuban_colada/2008/09/cuba-cant-pay-d.html
http://cubafacts.blogspot.com/2008/09/cuba-cant-pay-debt-to-russian-b...
South Africa waives Cuban debt
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5i9qVm5DSX4lG_HOpc3fZ4oLSO59g
http://cubafacts.blogspot.com/2008/04/south-africa-waives-cuban-debt.html
Ambassador says Mexico will re-negotiate Cuban debt to improve
relations
The Associated Press
Published: November 28, 2007
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/11/29/news/CB-GEN-Cuba-Mexico.php
http://cubafacts.blogspot.com/2007/11/ambassador-says-mexico-will-re....
India agrees to waive $62 million in Cuban debt
http://www.thehindu.com/2007/04/13/stories/2007041303361200.htm
http://cubafacts.blogspot.com/2007/04/india-agrees-to-waive-62-million-in.html
"Cuban purchases of food from the United States will fall by at least
a
third this year as the island slashes imports to stabilise an ever-
weak
economy further hammered by the global economic crisis, a top trade
official said Monday."
Jamaica Gleaner News - Cuba to buy less US food - Business -
Wednesday
|
November 18, 2009 (18 November 2009)
http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20091118/business/business6.html
(9) Genocide Watch is the Coordinator of the International Campaign
to
End Genocide
http://www.genocidewatch.org/aboutus/missionstatement.html
Listing of the Castro regime:
http://www.genocidewatch.org/images/Genocide_08_Genocides_and_Politicides_since_1945_with_stages_in_2008.pdf
Here are some pictures of children whose murder Dan Christensen supported:
http://www.cubaverdad.net/13_de_marzo.htm
The names of the children whose killing Dan Christensen supports:
Angel René ABREU Ruiz, 3
Giselle (or Lisette) BORGES Alvarez, 4
José Carlos NIKEL Anaya, 3
Marjolís MENDEZ Tacoronte, 17
Yousel Eugenio PEREZ Tacoronte, 11
Caridad LEYVA Tacoronte, 4
Yasse (or Yasser) PERODIN Almanza, 11
The testimony of a child that survived the killings Dan Christensen
supports:
Posted on Wed, Jun. 01, 2005
ESCAPE FROM CUBA
`Our only luggage was hope'
BY SERGIO PERODIN JR.
***@msn.com
Sergio Perodín Jr., a survivor of the 13 de Marzo tugboat massacre, is
graduating from Coral Gables Senior High today.
Original link:
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/opinion/11783845.htm
Permanent link:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/15952
The facts on Cuba's agriculture:
again Dan Christensen is trying to put words in other people's mouth
based on misquotes snipped the facts and the quote from Castro
confirming that Dan is no more than a desperate liar.
Another misquote to end the series.
all experts agree, Dan, that Cuba needs to reform its agriculture
before any increase in production is possible.
Even Raul Castro has admitted that.
"This is an effort to revitalize an agriculture sector hampered by
decades of government mismanagement" said Raul Castro.
http://www.meattradenewsdaily.co.uk/news/280810/cuba___more_land_for_small_farmers_.aspx
(Yep even your political masters expose you - again - as the liar you
are)
The problem is: for dogmatic reasons his market reforms are falling
far short of what is needed to revitalize food production even for the
local people.
Cuba, before Castro, was a net food exporter and can be that again
given structural reform as even your expert stated. No change in
regulation, no realization of potential.
"``The Cuban climate is very good, has good resources, and an
agricultural system with potential,'' Messina said. ``But the truth is
that we don't see big trends toward its development in terms of
regulation.''"
http://www.miamiherald.com/2009/09/29/1258504/cubas-agriculture-shows-promise.html
a fact all experts agree on.
Land is not used or has a very low productivity.
The solution id to free the sector and allow for foreign investment, a
point Messina also made.
"La agricultura cubana requiere cambios urgentes
Oscar Espinosa Chepe
http://www.cubanet.org/CNews/year2010/agosto2010/12_C_5.html"
http://cubafaq.wordpress.com/2010/08/12/la-agricultura-cubana-requiere-cambios-urgentes/
Currently Castro's "reforms"have only succeeded in reducing output.
"Cuban food output down despite agriculture reforms
Reuters
By Marc Frank Marc Frank Tue Aug 3, 2:43 pm ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100803/wl_nm/us_cuba_food"
http://cubafaq.wordpress.com/2010/08/04/cuban-food-output-down-despite-agriculture-reforms/
LA ENTREGA DE TIERRAS, OTRO FRACASO ANUNCIADO DE LA POLITICA DE
REFORMAS DE RAUL CASTRO
21-08-2010.
Elias Amor Bravo
Economista ULC
http://www.miscelaneasdecuba.net/web/article.asp?artID=29484"
http://cubafaq.wordpress.com/2010/08/22/la-entrega-de-tierras-otro-fracaso-anunciado-de-la-politica-de-reformas-de-raul-castro/
See:
"Cuba: reduced imports, declining local production."
http://cubafood.blogspot.com/p/food-in-cuba-today.html
and the news at:
http://cubafood.blogspot.com/
Post by CubaFAQPS: As an antidote to PL's venomous personal attacks on me
You are the one posting "venomous personal attcks", Dan, as anyone can see.
What a hypocrite liar you are.
THE STANDARD REPLY TO DAN'S LIES AND PERSONAL INSULTS.
again Dan Christensen shows what a hypocrite liar he is.
He is the one doing the "attacking" with his lies and slander.
As all can see I only post this piece that exposes his lies when he
has started his slanderous attacks.
That by the way is in general within a couple of exchanges on the
facts of the case involved as by then he is so stuck that he has to
resort to lies and insults.
Please note that lies combined with personal attacks only destroy
your credibility, Dan.
Dan Christensen knows I am not a lobbyist and that it is all just a
slander campaign.
As a good follower of Goebbels he keeps repeating his lies in the hope
that something will stick and that he maybe can mislead some people
that
don't know what he is all about.
Desperate Dan Is doing his bit in the slander campaign of the "rat
pack"
he is associated with. The contribution of his pals at the Centre
Ernesto Che Guevara in this group recently just shows what Dan and his
cronies are all about: lies, insults, slander and intimidation.
Actually: given your actions in the past Dan you fit the lobbyist
profile a lot closer.
You contact people in support of the Cuban regime and with the aim to
have them change the content of their website or change public
statements. You even pose as a "journalist" or "researcher" while
doing so.
The fact that you have been utterly unsuccessful at it and that only
your website suffered the removal of pages just shows what a bad
lobbyist you are.
Your Club Med, lobbying, CIA lies are exposed again
Links to the threads Dan produces his "lobbyist" misquotes from and
the exposure of his lies by others:
For those that want to see the full thread and the complete messages
in their context (which Dan Christensen desperately hopes nobody will
as it will expose his lies), here is a link to the threads concerned.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/browse_thread/thread/5fb621a1396ecc6c/2602f5eb5bd1c2ed?hl=3D3Den=3DE0=3DA8=3DAAf5eb5bd1c2ed
http://groups.google.ca/group/soc.culture.cuba/browse_thread/thread/56e1a7b9ca6c61e3/9cfde811fd6c7414?#9cfde811fd6c7414
To Dan Christensen's great frustration his lies by now have been
exposed by various other people in other threads like:
http://groups.google.be/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/ac34bd501ab58b97?dmode=3D3Dsource
http://groups.google.be/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/848321c82da3bbda
Dan Christensen lied when he claimed I had stated that I had been at
Club Med in Varadero - a hotel he tried to depict as a sleazy sex
resort - to "lobby" people.
Just one example:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/4b7720708da65ee0?dmode=3D3Dsource
Dan Christensen even suggested the whole trip was paid for by the CIA
thereby accusing Belgian officials of not only sexual impropriety, but
also of active corruption.
You see: Dan Christensen just doesn't know when to stop lying and gets
caught up in his "cloak and dagger" childish fantasies.
His lies are so over the top that it all become a big joke that people
can easily see though.
Here is one example of how serial liar Dan Christensen was exposed.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/848321c82da3bbda?dmode=3D3Dsource
The lies of Dan Christensen about me that were exposed:
- his lie about me playing golf to "lobby": exposed. Dan Christensen
had to admit there were no quotes to support any of that.
- his lie about singles resorts and schmoozing: exposed as various
people stated that it is merely a family resort that even had a circus
school for children
- his lie about me being in Varadero: exposed as Dan Christensen had
to admit I never said I was there
- his lie that it were all "CIA junkets" exposed as Dan Christensen
ran like hell when he realized that this lie could expose him to legal
sanctions
- his lie that I had "self-confessed" anything: exposed by people that
put the snippets Dan Christensen abusively posts in context (as shown
in this message)
All Dan Christensen's lies have been exposed by various people.
as I said comrade
Dan: whenever you post your lies about me I post the truth about you.
Your record of lies, innuendo, insults and support of human rights
abuses discredits you.
All shame you brought on yourself by your attitude and actions.
The exposure of the "lobbyist" lie in further detail.
Dan Christensen's abuse of misquotes has been exposed over and over
again. He just aped the lie of another apologist that dropped that
specific lie very quickly. The guy is indeed smarter than stupid Dan.
When Dan Christensen tried to come up with his own "new and
improved" version of the lie he fell flat on his face.
He claimed I had been "lobbying" people In Geneva while his Rat Pack
pal "cuba libre" that stalked me then showed from an IP address from
which I had posted something that I was in Santiago de Cuba at the
time. One Rat Pack member exposing another's lies with the result of
his cyber stalking. Ironic.
Dan's other exposed false claim:
"Taking a little break from arm-twisting in Geneva, Mr. Lobbyist?"
Link:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/b6375f9783e47aee?q=3D3Dg:thl174670614d&dq=3D3D&hl=3D3Den&lr=3D3D&ie=3D3DUTF-8
Again it is clear what a pathetic loser Dan Christensen is.
Below you will find what is behind Dan Christensen's slanderous
campaign: facts he can't deny.
- Frustration
I exposed Dan Christensen as a fraud in this group years ago when I
blew his "cover". In SCC he tried to portray himself as an
"independent
interested party" with no political agenda.
When I came across a blatantly different reply to a similar question
in a Stalinist e-group to which I had been invited I posted it to show
his lying hypocrisy.
Since then he has been pissed as hell as it undermined his lying
propaganda effort to mislead "those in the background" (his own words,
those that didn't have "local knowledge". He himself admitted in the
same e-group that propagandist like him can never "convince" those
with "local knowledge". In frequent exchanges he got some mad he often
forgot to keep up the pretense and made him show his hand and true
nature:
Quote:
"In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well
worth fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary
measures. In this case, the ends do indeed justify the means.
...............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping
less worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in
the
Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to mind."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=3D3Den&lr=3D3D&ie=3D3DUTF-8&selm=3D3DtirG3.176162%245r2.278940%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca
"It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At
this time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to
send death squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and
Colombia. Again, the actions of the Cuban government in detaining
these so-called dissidents seem quite mild in comparison and are
morally justified under the circumstances."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=3D3Den&lr=3D3D&ie=3D3DUTF-8&selm=3D3DtxMG3.176443%245r2.284921%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca
That meant he was exposed a the hypocrite liar he is. It showed that
the false claims he made about others (support of genocide, torture,
abuses, ..) in fact only applied to him.
I have also frequently exposed his lies about facts and people in SCC.
Dan Christensen once claimed:
"It is clear from Smith's article here (and his website, CIP Online)
that he does, in fact, support an immediate and unconditional lifting
of your beloved embargo."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/3f1fe3a55c12d7d7?dmode=3D3Dsource&hl=3D3Den
Mr. Smith's own words:
'We should reduce tensions, not aggravate it, making it clear to the
Cuban government that we do not have hostile intentions toward them,''
Smith
said during a 40-minute speech at a conference titled Cuba and the
United States: Relations in Permanent Conflict, Causes, Effects and
Solutions.
''I did not say lift the embargo without conditions,'' he said.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/cuba/12157593.htm
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Permanent copy in the Cubaverdad archive:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/16823
Then there is the issue of his lying website: acting with a third
person I had pages removed (for violations of law, slander, ...), I
have shamed him in to changing it on
various occasions (adding links that would then expose his lies,
remove lying caption from pictures, ...) and I have in general exposed
the lies on it (on Amnesty International for example)
What Dan claimed on his website (the misquote):
"Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly
denounced the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear
its support for the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel
sanctions"
http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ215.html
now moved to:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/danchristienses/CubaFAQ215.html
Link to the "report": (the one Dan didn't give until I shamed him in
to it)
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=3D3DENG-CUB
where the only thing Amnesty international asks for "immediately and
unconditionally" is the release of political prisoners.
Quote:
"in 1.
"On the basis of the available information, therefore, Amnesty
International considers the 75 dissidents to be prisoners of
conscience
(2) and calls for their immediate and unconditional release."
In 8.1
" to immediately and unconditionally release the 15 prisoners
previously named by Amnesty International as prisoners of conscience.
" to immediately and unconditionally release anyone else who is
detained or imprisoned solely for having peacefully exercised their
rights to freedom of expression, association and assembly."
end of quote
- Dogmatic hatred.
Dan Christensen is a hard-line Stalinist. His first steps in SCC were
to defend Stalin and in other forums he has praised "workers
democracy" under Stalin.
He has admitted that he is ready to fight to the last Cuban (from his
comfortable armchair in Canada) for his cause.
By posting the reports from the international press, human rights
organizations and Cuban independent journalists I have exposed his
propaganda as a lie. That makes the man wild with rage.
As he like to see himself as the "victim" (he once claimed he was
being censored in SCC) he therefore lashes out at people claiming that
those that contradict him are "CIA" agents (as if the CIA would care
about a third rate liar as Dan) and professional "lobbyists" probably
to make himself feel that he is "important" and to explain away his
complete propaganda failure (portraying himself as "overcome by
unsurmountable institutional odds").
- Personal hate and the "rat pack"
Dan has suffered the trauma of having part of his website remove
after a long battle over the personal attacks and falsifications he
had posted there.
The frequent exposures of his lies and hypocrisy only fueled the
personal hatred.
Dan ganged up with various other propagandists that people that have
been attacked by them refer to as the "rat pack". I have been the
target of the lies and slanderous insults of this "rat pack".
They specialize in online slander (from posting private information,
attacking their business or businesses they are associated with,
inciting others to harass people, over accusing people of being "CIA
agents" or "lobbyists" to the worst things one can imagine) and direct
harassment (phone calls, letters, letters with razor blade or white
powder, loitering in front of people's houses,.. up to death threats
in France).
All they succeeded in doing was to dramatically increase traffic to a
website I participate in ( www.cubaverdad.net ) and to suffer the
consequences of their slander.
Dan Christensen had part of his website removed. The Centre Che in
France had their complete website removed and their "secretary" known
here as "cubalibre" real name François Valy was sentenced to 6 months
in
jail for a whole series of abuses (including racism). A Spanish
"subsidiary" of the rat pack still has a surprise coming.
All because of their lies were exposed.
But then in the end this is what it boils down to: those that don't
have rational arguments find themselves exposed as the liars they are.
When that happens all they have left are the old
slander tactics: they attack the people that expose their lies in the
hope that they can intimidate them.
If Dan Christensen felt he had any chance to convince people directly
he would try to do so by posting facts and arguing facts.
He is reduced to snipping, posting the same snippets over and over
again, lies and slander.
As long as he and the rest of the "rat pack" (and their hangers on)
are reduced to that they expose" their own failure as Dan Christensen
does here every time.
Fine by me.
PL
"The Cuban government is based on lies and cheap propaganda. That is
why it is afraid of words and the truth."
Raul Rivero, April 2006, University of Sevilla