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Obama Appeases, Begs, Grovels His Way Through Shameful Deal With Cuba: His hopeless hunt for a legacy.
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Joe Cooper
2014-12-19 22:16:50 UTC
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WASHINGTON - Barack Obama continues to embrace low-tier, go-it-alone,
executive actions to pad out the last two years of his mistake-filled,
agenda-less presidency in a hopeless hunt for a legacy.

His arrogant decision this week to reestablish diplomatic relations with
Communist Cuba is the latest example of a president desperately searching
for something do without having to deal with Congress.

You can comb through all of the polling data for the top most concerns of
the American people, and renewing U.S. relations with Cuba's evil Castro
dictatorship is not among them.

But with his job approval polls in the basement, and his beaten party
toppled from power on Capitol Hill, Obama's frantically looking for
anything to turn his failed presidency around. So he went on nationwide
television Wednesday to announce his latest diplomatic gambit, to remind
us that he's still president.

National television? For a shameful give-away deal with an aging tin pot
dictator in the Caribbean who got almost everything he demanded and
conceded nothing in return?

Maybe someone in the White House suggested that this would be compared to
Nixon's opening to China. It wasn't.

His actions drew fierce, bipartisan criticism from Capitol Hill for
making deep unilateral concessions without getting much in return. And it
stoked the political fires in Florida, a pivotal electoral prize in the
presidential elections, where Cubans account for a large share of the
vote and remain strongly opposed to relaxing relations with Raul Castro
and his revolutionary henchmen.

The administration won the freedom of Alan Gross, a former U.S. Agency
for International Development contract worker who has been imprisoned for
five years by the Cubans. But in return Obama freed several convicted
Cuban spies.

This will go down in Obama history as another naive attempt at diplomacy
by a president who believes he can deal with Communists, even if he gets
little or nothing in return.

Remember when Obama came into office expecting to "reset" relations with
Vladimir Putin and his Kremlin thugs, only to watch them seize the Crimea
Peninsula and send troops into Eastern Ukraine where they remain to this
day.

Republican Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida sees the same naiveté at work in
Obama's Olive Branch diplomacy with Cuba -- calling the president "the
single worst negotiator we have had in the White House in my lifetime."

"Appeasing the Castro brothers will only cause other tyrants from Caracas
to Tehran to Pyongyang to see they they can take advantage of President
Obama's naiveté during his final two years in office," Rubio said.

Even some Democratic leaders were incensed by the president's action's.

In a blistering statement Wednesday, Sen. Robert Menendez of New Jersey,
the outgoing chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said
Obama's actions "have vindicated the brutal behavior of the Cuban
government. There is no equivalence between an international aid worker
and convicted spies who were found guilty of conspiracy to commit
espionage against our nation."

"One spy was also convicted of conspiracy to murder for his role in the
1996 tragedy in which the Cuban military shot down two U.S. civilian
planes, killing several American citizens," Menendez said.

To trade "Mr. Gross for three convicted criminals sets an extremely
dangerous precedent. It invites dictatorial and rogue regimes to use
Americans serving overseas as bargaining chips. I fear that today's
actions will put at risk thousands of Americans that work overseas," he
warned.

Obama may pay a bigger price for his actions when the Republicans take
control of the Senate next month, and Rubio becomes the chairman of the
Foreign Relations Committee's Western Hemisphere subcommittee.

In a statement released by his office, Rubio said he will "make every
effort to block this dangerous and desperate attempt" to make sweeping
concessions to the Castro government without demanding an end to its
repressive policies that have put untold political dissidents in prison.

But in his zeal to play the role of global negotiator, even at the
expense of appeasing some of America's worst and most dangerous
adversaries, Obama may have hurt his party's chances in the 2015-16
presidential election cycle.

Of the nearly two million U.S. citizens who claim Cuban ancestry, the
vast majority of them live in South Florida, a strategic political prize
that could decide the outcome of the next election -- as it did in 2000.

While the younger generation of Cuban-Americans are more open to relaxing
travel restrictions toward Cuba, the older generations remain deeply
hostile to the Communist government and almost any concessions that smell
of the status quo.

Like Rubio, one the GOP's latest presidential wannabes wasn't buying it
for a moment.
Former Florida governor Jeb Bush, who has just formed an exploratory
committee, said on his Facebook page that the administration's decision
to resume diplomatic ties with Cuba was "the latest foreign policy
misstep by this president, and another dramatic overreach of his
executive authority."

"It undermines America's credibility and undermines the quest for a free
and democratic Cuba," said Bush who is widely popular among Florida's
Cuban population and the Hispanic community at large.

But on the left of the political divide, Hillary Clinton was buying into
Obama's appeasement policy hook, line and sinker.

"I support President Obama's decision to chance course on Cuba policy,"
she said. "Despite good intentions, our decades-long policy of isolation
has only strengthened the Castro regime's grip on power."

Obama went for the whole enchilada, believing he can deal with Cuba by
caving into their demands. Republicans, and maybe more than a few
Democrats, will remind him in a few weeks that Congress will have a say
in this, too.

Source: http://bit.ly/1zFoyQ1
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Alberico
2014-12-20 22:18:45 UTC
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Post by Joe Cooper
WASHINGTON - Barack Obama continues to embrace low-tier, go-it-alone,
executive actions to pad out the last two years of his mistake-filled,
agenda-less presidency in a hopeless hunt for a legacy.
His arrogant decision this week to reestablish diplomatic relations
with Communist Cuba is the latest example of a president desperately
searching for something do without having to deal with Congress.
You can comb through all of the polling data for the top most concerns
of the American people, and renewing U.S. relations with Cuba's evil
Castro dictatorship is not among them.
But with his job approval polls in the basement, and his beaten party
toppled from power on Capitol Hill, Obama's frantically looking for
anything to turn his failed presidency around. So he went on
nationwide television Wednesday to announce his latest diplomatic
gambit, to remind us that he's still president.
National television? For a shameful give-away deal with an aging tin
pot dictator in the Caribbean who got almost everything he demanded
and conceded nothing in return?
Maybe someone in the White House suggested that this would be compared
to Nixon's opening to China. It wasn't.
His actions drew fierce, bipartisan criticism from Capitol Hill for
making deep unilateral concessions without getting much in return. And
it stoked the political fires in Florida, a pivotal electoral prize in
the presidential elections, where Cubans account for a large share of
the vote and remain strongly opposed to relaxing relations with Raul
Castro and his revolutionary henchmen.
The administration won the freedom of Alan Gross, a former U.S. Agency
for International Development contract worker who has been imprisoned
for five years by the Cubans. But in return Obama freed several
convicted Cuban spies.
This will go down in Obama history as another naive attempt at
diplomacy by a president who believes he can deal with Communists,
even if he gets little or nothing in return.
Remember when Obama came into office expecting to "reset" relations
with Vladimir Putin and his Kremlin thugs, only to watch them seize
the Crimea Peninsula and send troops into Eastern Ukraine where they
remain to this day.
Republican Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida sees the same naiveté at work
in Obama's Olive Branch diplomacy with Cuba -- calling the president
"the single worst negotiator we have had in the White House in my
lifetime."
"Appeasing the Castro brothers will only cause other tyrants from
Caracas to Tehran to Pyongyang to see they they can take advantage of
President Obama's naiveté during his final two years in office," Rubio
said.
Even some Democratic leaders were incensed by the president's
action's.
In a blistering statement Wednesday, Sen. Robert Menendez of New
Jersey, the outgoing chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations
Committee, said Obama's actions "have vindicated the brutal behavior
of the Cuban government. There is no equivalence between an
international aid worker and convicted spies who were found guilty of
conspiracy to commit espionage against our nation."
"One spy was also convicted of conspiracy to murder for his role in
the 1996 tragedy in which the Cuban military shot down two U.S.
civilian planes, killing several American citizens," Menendez said.
To trade "Mr. Gross for three convicted criminals sets an extremely
dangerous precedent. It invites dictatorial and rogue regimes to use
Americans serving overseas as bargaining chips. I fear that today's
actions will put at risk thousands of Americans that work overseas,"
he warned.
Obama may pay a bigger price for his actions when the Republicans take
control of the Senate next month, and Rubio becomes the chairman of
the Foreign Relations Committee's Western Hemisphere subcommittee.
In a statement released by his office, Rubio said he will "make every
effort to block this dangerous and desperate attempt" to make sweeping
concessions to the Castro government without demanding an end to its
repressive policies that have put untold political dissidents in prison.
But in his zeal to play the role of global negotiator, even at the
expense of appeasing some of America's worst and most dangerous
adversaries, Obama may have hurt his party's chances in the 2015-16
presidential election cycle.
Of the nearly two million U.S. citizens who claim Cuban ancestry, the
vast majority of them live in South Florida, a strategic political
prize that could decide the outcome of the next election -- as it did
in 2000.
While the younger generation of Cuban-Americans are more open to
relaxing travel restrictions toward Cuba, the older generations remain
deeply hostile to the Communist government and almost any concessions
that smell of the status quo.
Like Rubio, one the GOP's latest presidential wannabes wasn't buying
it for a moment.
Former Florida governor Jeb Bush, who has just formed an exploratory
committee, said on his Facebook page that the administration's
decision to resume diplomatic ties with Cuba was "the latest foreign
policy misstep by this president, and another dramatic overreach of
his executive authority."
"It undermines America's credibility and undermines the quest for a
free and democratic Cuba," said Bush who is widely popular among
Florida's Cuban population and the Hispanic community at large.
But on the left of the political divide, Hillary Clinton was buying
into Obama's appeasement policy hook, line and sinker.
"I support President Obama's decision to chance course on Cuba
policy," she said. "Despite good intentions, our decades-long policy
of isolation has only strengthened the Castro regime's grip on power."
Obama went for the whole enchilada, believing he can deal with Cuba by
caving into their demands. Republicans, and maybe more than a few
Democrats, will remind him in a few weeks that Congress will have a
say in this, too.
Source: http://bit.ly/1zFoyQ1
Dumb...duh...dumb...dumb.

And liberals thought Obama was a smart guy.
Siri Crews
2014-12-20 23:46:14 UTC
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And liberals thought Obama was a smart guy.
Do you want other countries to respect national sovereignity and/or do you want
the US to decide what govenment other nations will have?
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Cubaverdad
2014-12-21 09:48:00 UTC
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Post by Alberico
And liberals thought Obama was a smart guy.
Do you want other countries to respect national sovereignity and/or do you want
the US to decide what govenment other nations will have?
Defending human rights is not violating other countries sovereignty.
The source of sovereignty is the people. The Cuban dictatorship is
illegitimate and not based on a free expression of the will of the
people. It does not embody the sovereignty of the nation. Supporting the
people is supporting the sovereign nation of Cuba.
Do you want the Cuban people to continue to suffer?

Read up:
http://www.impela.net
Siri Crews
2014-12-21 09:55:07 UTC
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Post by Siri Crews
Post by Alberico
And liberals thought Obama was a smart guy.
Do you want other countries to respect national sovereignity and/or do you want
the US to decide what govenment other nations will have?
Defending human rights is not violating other countries sovereignty.
The source of sovereignty is the people. The Cuban dictatorship is
Do you think other countries should interfere with a government that tortures
and violates human rights in Cuba? Including Guantanamo Bay? How do you think
other countries should violate US national sovereignity to force the US to
behave properly?
Post by Cubaverdad
Do you want the Cuban people to continue to suffer?
What about the Catholics of Northern Ireland?
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Cubaverdad
2014-12-21 10:57:55 UTC
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Post by Siri Crews
Post by Cubaverdad
Post by Siri Crews
Post by Alberico
And liberals thought Obama was a smart guy.
Do you want other countries to respect national sovereignity and/or do you want
the US to decide what govenment other nations will have?
Defending human rights is not violating other countries sovereignty.
The source of sovereignty is the people. The Cuban dictatorship is
Do you think other countries should interfere with a government that tortures
and violates human rights in Cuba?
demanding and end to abuses of human rights is not "interfering", it is
reminding a government of its prime obligation: respect of its citizens.
Post by Siri Crews
Including Guantanamo Bay? How do you think
other countries should violate US national sovereignity to force the US to
behave properly?
Lots of countries correctly demanded an end to certain extreme but
exceptional practices in the US. The US had a "knee-jerk" reaction to
the terrorism threat, but as always it bounced back.
Cuba has even more extreme repression - just killed a man trying to flee
in a boat and endangered the lives of the other 30+ passengers by
sinking a boat with people fleeing the country - and the Castro
repression touches all Cubans, not a few terror suspects.
Any country, person, NGO, ... should condemn the dictatorship and demand
an immediate end to human rights abuses.
In the US excesses are the exception. In Cuba it is the rule. Keep
things in perspective.

Sovereignty emanates from the people. In Cuba the people have no voice.
The Castro dictatorship does NOT represent Cuban sovereignty. It
represses and abuses the true base of Cuban sovereignty: the people.
Why do you want to deny the Cuban people even that basic right?
Post by Siri Crews
Post by Cubaverdad
Do you want the Cuban people to continue to suffer?
What about the Catholics of Northern Ireland?
Since the "Good Friday" agreement Northern Ireland has improved a lot.
Even at the height of the "troubles" the repression was less than in Cuba.
All people in Northern Ireland are protected by the European Convention
on Human Rights and the international courts that go with it.
http://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/Convention_ENG.pdf

Cubans have no rights and no international protection. Human Rights
organizations and even the Red Cross aren't allowed in.

Get your facts right.

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